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MarkLBailey wrote:No, that's made up, PMN. There were serious confrontations when the US Army requisitioned British ships but nothing this serious. I figure that the French would be a LOT more touchy fighting on broken-backed per APOD than they ever were as a tiny, shattered remnant in OTL. They knew they were powerless mendicants in OTL.
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Classification of Operations
At the outbreak of war
The first method of operation against the
(Note: In some copies this blank is filled
in with brief operational procedures to be followed when executing a surprise
attack in the Hawaii area.)
At the outbreak of war in case an attack
by our carrier Striking Force is impossible
The second method of operation against
the US Fleet
1. The Submarine Force will watch for,
raid and attack the US Fleet.
the circumstances, air bases on Howland, Tutuila and the Fiji Islands will be
attacked with appropriate strength.
2. The Carrier Striking Force will get
ready for operations against the US Fleet.
When US Carrier Task Force operates
The third method of operation against the
1. The Submarine Force, the Carrier
Striking Force, the South Seas Force and the Northern Force will operate
against US task forces.
2. The Main Force will join the above
operations, if necessary.
3. According to circumstances, elements
of the 11th Air Fleet will be temporarily transferred to the eastern theatre.
When the US Fleet makes trans-Pacific
The fourth method of operation against
the US Fleet
1. The Submarine Force, the Carrier
Striking Force, the South Seas Force, the Northern Force and the Main Force
will be disposed for interception operations against the US Fleet. The decisive battle strength of the Southern
Force will immediately join the interception force.
2. The Southern Operations will be
continued by the 3d Fleet, the Southern Expeditionary Force and fighters of
the 11th Air Fleet.
Disposition of Interception Operations
Note: This is the disposition of forces and
the operational plan to be followed by the Combined Fleet in carrying out
decisive battle with the United States Fleet.
First Disposition in Preparation
for Decisive Battle
Second Disposition in
Preparation for Decisive Battle
Disposition for Decisive Battle
of Operations (Other matters will be as prescribed by Doctrine)
of the Combined Fleet
2. Strategic reserve
1st Bat Div.
1st Fleet. (-3d BatDiv)
11th Seaplane Tender
in western part of Inland Sea, tighten security and support all operations.
out should the situation warrant.
out at the proper time to support the Carrier Air Force or Advance Force.
Support the Carrier Striking Force or the Advance Force, meet the situation
brought about by their operations and serve as the standard of all
If the enemy air force is not completely destroyed, in the initial operation
fighters will be carried on the force aircraft carriers accompanying.
of 2d Fleet
Contact and destroy enemy task force and invasion force.
Engage the enemy in a decisive battle.
to the main theater of operations at an appropriate time and support the
operations of friendly air force and the South Seas Force while keeping
outside the effective range of enemy land-based aircraft except when forced
by circumstances to close in.
as first disposition for the preparation of decisive operations
Operate outside the effective range of enemy land-based air attacks, maneuver
so as to force the enemy fleet to contact our Main Force. Wait for the enemy invasion force approaching
our key points, then advance rapidly and catch and destroy it.
of 4th Fleet
Patrol and defend assigned sea areas and key points.
Contact and destroy hostile task force and invasion force.
Strengthen patrol and tighten defense.
Employ submarines, reconnaissance seaplanes and light naval vessels to
aid the Submarine Force and air forces in frustrating the enemy's plan to
recapture advance bases, or in smashing the enemy effort to construct
the Advance (or Main)
One element will cooperate in the Base Air Force's operations and be
responsible for the security and protection of the Advance Force and Main
Force. It will also prepare against the attacks of an enemy invasion force
and counter-attack and destroy it.
Counterattack the enemy invasion force near our key points.
planes will cooperate with the Submarine Force to insure contact with the
When the danger of the enemy's invasion force attack is past, the whole
strength of the submarine .
Engage the enemy for a decisive battle.
is operating and will launch attacks to neutralize hostile submarines. In addition, they will, if necessary,
establish and maintain air defense patrol lines between friendly forces and
the enemy's advance air bases.
Other wise same as first disposition.
other forces will attack the enemy fleet
When the enemy base air forces are very active some submarines and
reconnaissance seaplanes will participate in operations of the base force.
of 5th Fleet
Patrol forces in other areas will be concentrated in the main theater of
operations, leaving behind elements to meet immediate operational
Other procedures are the same as those for the second disposition
of 6th Fleet
Observe and attack enemy fleets
Cooperate in Base Air Force's operations.
Engage the enemy in a decisive battle.
element of the Force will observe the hostile fleet, while the main body will
be responsible for preventing the enemy from capturing advance air bases for
element will observe and attack hostile air bases, while the main body will
observe, contact and attack hostile fleet and invasion forces.
element will endeavor to force the enemy fleet into our prearranged theater
for a decisive battle, while the main body will make a series of attacks upon
them. If the enemy force is not
completely destroyed, some submarines will assist the operations of the Base
of the 1st Air Fleet
Support South Seas or Northern Force.
Gain air superiority.
to the main theater of operations at an appropriate time, conduct surprise
raids on his outer flank air bases and aircraft carriers, attack hostile forces
attempting to recapture key points, and reinforce advance bases with
Operate outside the effective range of enemy aircraft, attack hostile
invasion forces in the vicinity of our local strategical points and launch timely
surprise attacks upon enemy fleet.
Operate outside the effective range of the enemy's land-based air attacks and
await the approach of enemy carriers, advance at an appropriate time and
launch surprise attacks to destroy the hostile carrier air force with the
Submarine Force and Base Air Force.
Destroy at least the hostile carrier air force before our Main Force engages
Based Air Force
of the 11th Air
Support the South Seas or Northern Force.
Gain Air Superiority.
Engage the enemy in decisive battle.
11th Air Fleet (-elements)
Cooperate with the Submarine Force and South Seas Force in attacking the
enemy base air forces and enemy forces attempting to recapture key points.
the same time, counterattack and destroy raiding enemy aircraft.
The rear base air force will patrol the areas where the Advance (or Main)
for contact and attack hostile fleet and invasion forces, in addition to the
missions in the First Disposition.
Attack such hostile forces as base air forces and invasion forces and once
the enemy fleet comes within the range of our aircraft, deliver a series of attacks
upon it cooperating with the Submarine Force.
Destroy the hostile carrier air force before our Main Force engages the
of 3d Fleet
Fleet Southern Exped Fleet
Asahi, Asahi Maru,
bns of Special Naval Landing Force.
of 11th Air Fleet
continue Southern Operations
of the 24th Converted Cruiser Div
Converted Cruiser Div
the operations for disrupting surface traffic
as first disposition
as second disposition
of the 1st Com-bined Sig Unit
communi-cation Radio Intelligence
1st Combined Comm Force
continue pre-arranged missions
1. Reorganization necessary for the Carrier
Striking Force in event of change of the disposition during the First Phase
Operations will be made according to special orders.
2. Deployment of the Land Base Air Force.
a. Deploying areas are as follows:
(1) Should the enemy raid the Marshalls area,
the main body of the land based air force will deploy to the Marshalls area and
its elements will deploy to the Marcus, Saipan and Truk areas.
(2) Should the enemy raid the Rabaul area,
the main body of the land based air force will deploy to the Saipan area and
its elements will deploy to the Truk and Marshalls areas.
(3) Should the enemy raid the sea area east
of Japan Proper, the main body of the land based air force will deploy to the
Tokyo area and its elements will deploy to the Marcus, Saipan and Ominatoareas.
b. Deployment of air units will be made by
swift movement by air. In some cases,
however, aircraft carriers may be employed for transferring fighter units.
3. The assignment of supply ships will be
the same as that in the Disposition of First Phase Operations.
4. Disposition of units not mentioned above
will be determined by special orders.
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MarkLBailey wrote:Doing this PhD is fascinating, it's a major exercise in intellectual discipline. It's a stylised, meticulous and rather harsh activity: a "way of developing thought and research processes to the highest level" to quote my supervisor. it is nothing, absolutely nothing, like developing a paper for a major conference. That's child's play by comparison.
Yes, I am enjoying it very much.
He was, of course, correct and it took me six months of solid skull-sweat to build a proper structure organised thematically and burn the time period down to 1887-1951. This is still dangerously long, so I have a very strict thematic path to follow.
If you ever want someone to read over your thesis with a fresh (and critical) eye, let me know.
Michael can be on the same path re Hong Kong if he chooses to. The depth of his research is as seriously impressive as yours. Of special value is the way (like you) he's looking at NRA, IJA and Imperial inputs and getting a balanced view of the entire campaign at a very fine-grained level.Actually I'm only able to do research on the Empire aspects of it all - apart from the internet my sources are all Empire focused (records in the National Archives). As far as the NRA and IJA aspects are concerned all I'm able to do is try and put myself in their shoes and think "what looks reasonable from their perspective." I'm conscously trying to avoid the twin traps of "Dumb Enemy" and "Heroic Telepathic Suprmen" you see in some Alt History, apply the APOD Driver led approach (and the regular malleting I get from the team helps here ) as well as tweaking where necessary to make sure that I don't upset the rest of the APOD applecart (couple of examples: I'm making sure that HK finishes roughly iaw OTL and that the Japanese don't call on any of the curently unemployed "Malaya" units as reinforcements - this is to avoid upsetting Geoff's work. Additionally I'm working on a way to free up the Heavy Howitzers so they can be released in time to make it to the Phillipines to help reduce Corrigadore).One thing I've learned is that in APOD everything is related to everything else, so you need to be careful that your "logical" change doesn't unravel the rest of the structure - which goes back to what Mark was saying about having to introduce artificialities at times. Left to my own devices I'd have gone "Hmmmm Malaya delayed, and the Armyt attaching high importance to HK - maybe I can "borrow" a division" - it'd be logical and driver led, but it'd have taken out/required a re-write of a large chunk of Geoffs work, so I scrabbled around for alternatives.Right now I'm doing an online Masters Degree in Business and Management - which should explain why I haven't been as prolific as usual recently - it takes up a lot of time, and throw in the day job as well ... I think you get the picture. Fortunately I have a window June-August between modules and I'm hoping to bring HK up to the point where Peoples Struggle pulls out of harbour (which effectively marks the end of the first phase - after she's gone then as far as the IJA is concerned the gloves come off)
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